Hi Tricia and other Vosper Cousins.
First, so sorry about not putting Tricia on the Cousin Chart, I have updated it, and it is attached. This just slipped by me. 19 family lines now – wow!
I have also not put Richard Barry Willis on the tree, as I don't have the connection between his forefather Rev. John Vosper, who died in New Zealand, and our tree. I'm sure he's connected, I just don't know where….Kay, have you requested his death certificate or the book, " Reverend John Vosper : the man behind the street name " by Patsy O'Shea? It may contain his parent's names in Cornwall, which will probably show how he links into our family. (If any of you have come across a Rev. John Vosper who left Cornwall for Australia/New Zealand, about 1900, please let us know – or if you could check your library and its affiliated libraries for copies of the book, that might be helpful, too).
Tricia asked some questions about the DNA test (see message below), and I thought the answers might be of interest to everyone:
· Problems with spitting for the DNA test for Ancestry.com: This is a fairly common problem. There is some good news here, though: If the sample you give to Ancestry is not viable, they will replace the kit with another. I recently spoke with someone who was in much the same situation as you. He was so concerned that he bought two tests and used the mucous that accumulated in the breathing apparatus his mother was using to fill one of the Ancestry tubes. It worked just fine! If you decide to use this approach, (don't bother with buying two kits) try to avoid contamination, as much as possible. If this seems like it is going to be impossible I suggest you use FTDNA's test. FTDNA.com has a FamilyFinder test which is basically the same test as Ancestry does, but uses a swab to collect the saliva, and is much easier to use with very ill donors. The results will not show on Ancestry.com, but we can still use them to compare on GedMatch. Anything is better than nothing!
· Yes, it is best to get the oldest members of your family, as they have twice as much of your ancestor's DNA as you do. Your mother's DNA will have only her side of the family. Your kit will have both your mother's and your father's – so it would be good to get both of you tested.
Tricia also asked about family rumors that the Vosper family was from Germany. I think Graham said that his family rumor had the family coming from Holland. At least one officious document states, without substantiation, that the family came from Silesia. Ashkenazi Jews were most commonly from Northern Europe, including Germany, Holland, and Silesia. One might put together a theory from all of this that our family came from Silesia via Germany and Holland, relocating to Cornwall at some point, probably to take part in the tinning industry. Unless we get really good at reading old English documents (I can make nothing of them), and we stumble upon a hidden treasure trove of info, we may never know. It is my hope that the Y-DNA tests will eventually lead us to the portion of Europe that our Vosper ancestors came from.
Have a good day, everyone!
Cousin Teri
vospercousins.blogspot.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tricia Coles
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:41 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: RE: Vosper family tree connections
Hi Teri,
Many thanks for your latest email today about a further cousin in Somerset.
I apologise for not replying to an earlier email from you about my Mum and a DNA test.
I've been a bit occupied with house things. New carpets have now been laid and our furniture is out of store. My little bother has been to visit visit for a few days, and also my sister in law.
I hope you have recovered from your ankle injuries.
I have not been able to sort DNA test for Mum - I don't think spitting is going to work for Mum. Taking a swab from Mum's mouth might be more realistic, but that would be a different sort of test kit and I guess might not be suitable for the Ancestry linking and how would I get such a kit etc.? I now thinking that I will do the test with the kit, but I am still curious about Mum's DNA especially as due to her age its a link that much further back with more Vosper genes than me!. It is her Birthday today - 97 - I have just returned from visiting her in her Care Home.
Thanks for all the other emails re additional cousins - all rather mind boggling! By the way I/we don't appear on the most recent cousins tree.
You mentioned a while back about earlier emails that you could send me that would be great, but perhaps in a month or so. Cousin Matthews from Kent has been in touch and he has sent me info on his family from Pilllaton. My 2 x great grandfather Thomas Dyer Vosper and his 2 x great grandmother Mary Emma Vosper were siblings - children (2 of 14 though not all survived childhood) of John Vosper and Mary Dyer. I had always wondered about my grandfather's middle name Dyer and didn't realise that his father was Thomas Dyer and his father also - all 3 the first born sons, I think. I have done very little on Ancestry with my tree, but hope to add a bit more soon.
I do find all the work you have been doing very interesting and that we have some Jewish ancestry. Does this fit with a sort of rumour from my past that we had some German ancestry??
Kind regards
Tricia
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On Thu, 8/9/16, Info Seeker wrote:
Subject: RE: Vosper family tree connections
To: "'Tricia Coles'"
Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2016, 20:50
Hi Tricia,
Any luck on your mother's
DNA?
Your Vosper cousin,
Teri
-----Original Message-----
From: Tricia Coles
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 4:23 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: RE:
Vosper family tree connections
Hi Terri,
Yes, my mother is
Della Elizabeth Vosper and does appear on someone else's tree or trees along with her brother Owen, who I have yet to add to mine. Been a bit busy with house stuff ,so haven't had a lot of time to do searches etc.,so sorry I didn't send you a separate email just ancestry invite. Great to receive Vosper cousin email - thank you - quite amazing as I thought there wouldn't be much info when I started the Vosper search fairly recently!. Still working on DNA test for Mum - not that easy as she is always eating and drinking and wouldn't understand, but I hope to sort something - I have received the DNA kit. I'm assuning you can view my tree now and you will see that I have added quite a bit on Mum's maternal side - I have quite a lot of info from family history, so am trying to add it - some also appears on other people's trees, but not all accurate!
Best wishes
Tricia
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On Tue, 31/5/16, Info Seeker wrote:
Subject: RE: Vosper
family tree connections
To: "'triciacoles'"
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2016, 19:49
Hi Tricia, got your invite
today.
Is your mother DELLA? I
found that on someone else's tree. Have sent you a separate email. Have to run to a garden club meeting – have a great day! Teri
From: triciacoles
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:00 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: RE:
Vosper family tree
connections http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree100563253/family
Hi Teri,
This is the web
address above. I'm not sure why I am not appearing in the Directory – I also get the same message when I do the search!.
Hope this link works!
RegardsTricia
PS I'm
just trying out my new Microsoft Surface book with Windows 10. It seems really great. Our desk top computer runs on Vista. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
Info
Seeker
Sent: 20 May 2016 16:26
To: 'Tricia
Coles'
Subject: RE:
Vosper family tree
connections Hi
Tricia!
Unfortunately I get this when
trying to find your
tree: Could you just
copy and
paste the web address from your
browser? Thanks!
Teri
-----Original
Message-----
From: Tricia Coles
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016
5:42 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: Re: Vosper family tree connections Hi Teri Thank you for your email.I have just today started a family tree - its called Vosper/Woolway. Its rather patchy as I haven't quite added all the dates, but I guess you will see where it slots into the vast Bennett family tree - I can also see that there are a lot of links to other family trees on my maternal grandmother's side - though I new some of this info already. Hopefully you can see my tree under the public family tree list. How it all works is all rather new to me - in past I have only just looked at individual census records etc. I have not added anything on my father's side as one of my cousin's has researched this and it also goes back a long way! And yes I hope I can help out with some records in the future. Best wishesTricia--------------------------------------------On
Thu, 19/5/16, Info Seeker
wrote: Subject: Vosper family
tree connections
To: Tricia
Date:
Thursday, 19 May, 2016, 18:52
Hi
Patricia!
Always GRAND tohear from another Vosper cousin! Sounds like you have a lot on your plate right now, but we are so happy to add another cousin to our mix. I don't see a tree on your account -- have you got one? I need to connect you to the family, but I don't have any info to go on. Can you give me a bit of info on your Vosper lineage? Then I can add you in.... I've worked really hard on our tree for several years and I'm glad you can enjoy it. I hope you'll take a bit of time to review it person by person, looking at the LifeStories…. Since you live in Devon, perhaps you could be of some help to me in getting some copies of original docs, when you get settled in? Devon docs require me to get a subscription to FindMyPast, but I think they are available for free to Devon residents….
Teri
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