Needed: Y DNA Participant - FREE

Hello, again, Cousins!

 

I was talking with our Vosper Cousin, Robert Norris Vosper, who is a Y-DNA participant that shows our Vosper line is Jewish in origin. 

 

(For those of you who are newish to the group, I have created a fake person on my family tree on Ancestry.com, at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/47009625/person/24454081783/facts    that contains information on the Jewish connection to our tree.)

 

We had done another test with another Vosper descendant that had a different result, so we need a “tie-breaker”!  

 

Robert and I have agreed to pay for a Y-DNA test for a male Vosper descendant that has the “Vosper” surname, comes from an unbroken line of Vosper male family members, and is at least 2 generations separated from our common ancestor.    Looking at the cousin chart, I think that possible candidates would be an uncle of Tricia Coles, Graham Vosper and any other male members of his family, a brother or uncle of Carol Vosper, and an uncle of William E Williams, an uncle of Robert McAuslan.  There may be other cousins you know of that would be possibilities.

 

The test is very easy, just involving a cheek swab.

 

We have other males closer to our immediate family, but would prefer a ‘farther out’ cousin.

 

Thanks for your consideration.   If you are interested, please get back to me ASAP. 

 

Cousin Teri

New Vosper Cousin - Bernice A Darby of Sydney, Australia

Good day, Vosper Cousins!

 

The past week has been a busy one for Vosper Cousins, and I’m happy to introduce our newest member, Bernice (Darby) Bourne, a descendant of Joanna Vosper.  That makes 3 lines from Joanna!   

 

I have updated our Vosper Cousin Chart, and it is attached.  You’ll find Bernice’s lineage in the twelfth column from the left.

 

In keeping with our practice of keeping email addresses off the internet, I will send out a separate email with Bernice’s email address, which will enable you to reach out to her directly, if you’d like to.

 

Bernice, you can find a record of our past correspondence on the Vosper Blog at http://vospercousins.blogspot.com/ .  There is a little search box on the upper left hand corner if you’d like to search for a specific topic. 

 

I’ve included one of Bernice’s original emails to me, below, which describes her lineage and will give you a little feel for Bernice’s personality.

 

Welcome, Bernice!

 

From: Bernice A Darby
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:12 PM
To: 'Infoseeker@Gmail'
Subject: RE: Vosper Cousin

 

Dear Teri

 

Many thanks for your response.  How very exciting.  I would love to be a part of your group of 'cousins'.

 

As a positioning, my line from John Menhinnett & Hannah Sawdy - is through their daughter Maria, who married John Marshall in Bodmin in 1838.

They had two daughters - Catherine (or aka Caroline) & Anna Maria (my gg g/mother).

Maria died in Plymouth in 1852, then John married again in 1853 and sailed for Adelaide.  I only discovered the voyage to Adelaide a couple of years ago, from a marriage notice when Anna Maria married Philip Heydon in Sydney in 1864.

It stated that Anna was the second daughter of John Marshall of Adelaide.  Woo Hoo!  Up until then who was John Marshall amongst the gazillion other John Marshalls that popped up?

In quick order, I obtained his second marriage certificate from England, then organised a trip to Adelaide to follow up his trail.

I am very happy to provide details of the information that I have for John Menhinnett and family, just let me know how you would like to do this.

 

As far as the Vosper family is concerned, I started looking at this in more details because the name Joanna Goddard Vosper had always intrigued me, but until this last Christmas, hadn't had the time to have a good look at it.

Cautiously back to Daniel Vosper marrying Judith Dinham in 1621 and have a copy of his Will, but am very happy to have corrections etc. where I have gone astray.

 

Looking forward to hearing from you regarding your newsletter or any other queries.

Kind regards

 

Bernice

 

RE: Clarification: Got a DNA match with Monica Parker - the chr. comparison.

Hi Lesley and cousins!  Lesley had some questions about my earlier message, and I thought you might all be interested in the answers.  You can see her questions at the bottom of the message.

The “MRCA” is short for “Most RECENT Common Ancestor” – given that the Vosper Bawden line is 4 generations more recent, it is definitely much more likely to be the source of the common DNA.  Given that each generation inherits 50% of their DNA from each of their parents, Robert Vosper would have received only about 6.25% of his DNA from Joseph Vosper and Mary Frane.  By the time it gets to our generation it is only .2%.  The chance of having a match at that percent is pretty small.

Check it out this way: 

The numbers on the far left represent what % of Joseph’s DNA each generation would have received….so about . 2% by the time it gets to our generation, while the second set of numbers shows the % that would have been transferred from Robert Vosper down, ending with our generations getting about 3%.   So that is much more likely to be what we see when we compare results.  

Even though you have multiple occurrences of Joseph and Mary (Frane), you would be multiplying that number by .2%  and still coming up with a very small number. 

Paula’s Vosper line is on her paternal side.  My Vosper line is on my maternal side.  Yours is on your maternal line.

Hope this answers your questions!

Cousin Teri

From: Lesley Dawson
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:18 PM
To: Infoseeker@Gmail; Monica Parker
Subject: Re: FW: Got a DNA match with Monica Parker - the chr. comparison.

Hi Terry
Wow!  What a lot of work you have done with Monica's data!  She certainly does share a good chunk of cMs with you and your brothers.  I notice from the GenomeMate matches that Monica matches on chromosome 10 & 16 with Paula - small matches albeit!  I note also that this is from the paternal side - how does that fit in?  I notice that you have us down as descending from the Vosper/Bawden line - is that because we match others from that same line?
I have often wondered as we have two Vosper lines that meet up (took us ages to sort out on the paper trail!!) that we might have more DNA from Joseph Vosper & Mary Frane as they occur twice on our tree?  Maybe you could let us know?

Thanks for all the hard work Teri!

Regards

FW: Got a DNA match with Monica Parker - the chr. comparison.

Hi Everyone!  Lesley put Monica’s DNA on GedMatch, and I was able to run a number of comparisons with her and the rest of our clan.

I ran her against me, first:

What a nice, long segment – 28.3cM!  She also matches both of my brothers on the same segment on chr. 2.

Then I ran her against Cousin Paula:

Result:  Small matches on different segments.

Then I ran her against cousin James:

A good size match, on a completely different chromosome!

I also found a match with Yvonne, got a couple of small matches, and one nice one on chr. 19:

There were no other matches with the rest of the Vosper cousins.

Then I worked on triangulating the findings, but running the following tool on Gedmatch:

The 2^nd chromosome has the most vertical matches (they are all on the same segment).   These are matches to me:

After all the work, this is how Monica looks in GenomeMate, showing all the people I maintain profiles for that have matches, in chromosomal order:

From: Lesley Dawson [mailto:mail@lesleydawson.net]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:33 AM
To: Infoseeker@Gmail
Subject: Re: Got a DNA match with Leslie Dawson Today!

Hi Teri
I was going to contact you when sister Monica's numbers have been crunched by GEDmatch - her number is A933457.
She would love to be included in the Vosper cousins emails - her name is Monica Parker - she is using my tree on Ancestry as we have done all the work together over the years anyway! 
Regards
Lesley

On 22/05/2017 17:00, Infoseeker@Gmail wrote: