Vosper Cousins: 2016

Sunday, December 25, 2016

Implications of Cousin John's Y-DNA test results - received yesterday

We recently got the results of the Y-DNA test from Cousin John in Australia – and they were NOT what we hoped for (see the Blog for the results)! We were hoping to confirm the J-M267 haplogroup of cousin Robert, which appears to verify the stories in the “Hearthside” book of a Jewish heritage to the Vosper family. Instead, John returned an R-M269 haplogroup, the most common in Europe. To confuse matters further, his haplogroup matches that of Cousin James!

This means one of two things:

1) There is a Non-Paternity Event (NPE) somewhere on the yellow line on the diagram below, or

2) There is an error in our tree, wich would connect the line of John Elliott to that of Mary Vosper (highlighted in Orange) or

Here is our cousin chart, with the DNA results posted below the appropriate lines:

To refresh your memories, Y-DNA is passed down from father to son with very few changes (maybe 1 every 4 or 5 generations). In theory, if there was never an NPE, any male with the name VOSPER would have the same Haplogroup, and be a match with only a few changes (called Genetic Distance).

Cousin James had his Y-DNA done, even though Mary Vosper (highlighted in orange) had several children out of wedlock, and they retained the Vosper name. We EXPECTED his haplogroup to be different, and it was. At first glance, it may appear significant that both John and James have the same haplogroup, R-M269, however, a closer examination shows some interesting differences:

James Y STR:

John’s Y STR, with differences from James’ results highlighted in yellow:

We can see from this that they have different results on 13 markers, and a total Genetic distance of 20! (Genetic distance is calculated by taking the absolute value of the difference of the value between the same markers, and adding that to the absolute value of the difference to each of the corresponding markers). For example, on DYS442 (next to last one), James has an 11, John has a 12, for a genetic distance of 1. CDY, however has a greater difference. James has 37-38, while John has 35-37, for a difference of 2 on the first, and 1 on the second. To me, calculating the genetic difference on these multi markers is a little confusing, and the total genetic difference could be just 16, not the 20 I stated earlier – still very substantial!

Different markers change at different ‘speeds’, with CDY being one of the faster changing ones. See https://phillipsdnaproject.com/faq-sections/40-fastest-mutating-markers for more info on this and calculating genetic distance…

I am not an expert on this, but my understanding of this means that though they share the same haplogroup, their common ancestor is probably back much further than our Vosper chart goes. Before I investigated this I thought that maybe John’s line had descended from the aforementioned Mary, but given the substantial genetic difference I don’t think that’s the case. I think it’s more likely that the two gentlemen involved in fathering the children of these lines just had the same haplogroup because it’s the most common one in Europe.

So, let’s talk about Non-Paternity Events a little bit. ISOGG states: Non-paternity event is a term used in genetic genealogy to describe any event which has caused a break in the link between an hereditary surname and the Y-chromosome resulting in a son using a different surname from that of his biological father. Read more here. From that article:

As we know, legally, the father is the person who raised the person, and NPEs exist in the best of families including the monarchy of England. So either line is a ‘real Vosper’ in the legal sense.

My primary interest in pursuing the Y-DNA has been to confirm or refute rumors of Jewish origins of the Vosper family. To that end, the best choice to continue the testing would be to have a male Vosper relative of CAROL VOSPER do the test. This could be a brother or uncle or nephew with the surname VOSPER. Our next best choice would be GRAHAM VOSPER. Third choice would be if William Williams has any male uncles or cousins with the surname VOSPER who could test. Fourth would be to get GENE VOSPER to test.

I recall that LINDA WILSON said her brother might be willing to test, but darn if I can find her on my chart! Hard for me to determine how important a test from him might be without that information. Linda, could you please send me your lineage? Thanks,

Hope you are all having a wonderful Christmas or Chanukah! Happy New Year, too!

Cousin Teri

Your Y-DNA test results are in!

Hi, and Merry Christmas!

I got notified that John’s Y-DNA test results came in, and I wanted to share them with you as quickly as possible – I know that you have been anxiously awaiting them. I’m going to try to explain things as I go, but will send a separate email about the implications of the results on our genealogical research. You will see links to web sites where you can read more on any given subject.

Here is the first result:

A haplogroup is a genetic population group of people who share a common ancestor on the patrilineal or matrilineal line. For more info, click here. This R-M269 group is also referred to as R1b1a2 (there has been a recent change in nomenclature, so it is referred to both ways). Basically, they take all the results of your testing and categorize them into this grouping for analysis on a macro level.

Haplogroup R1b (R-M343) is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe and the most common haplogroup in the genetic genealogy databases. R1b1a2 (R-M269) is the dominant branch of R1b in Western Europe. For more info, click here.

Your complete Y-STR values are shown below. You were tested at 37 markers:

These were the values that they categorized to come up with the R-M269 designation. However, for matching purposes, they use your individual values for each of the markers.

FTDNA also provides us with a list of people who match you. We tested John at 37 markers, and here is the result with people who match at 37 markers:

Only one match, and that 4 genetic distances away (as much as 20+ generations difference!).

Among people who have only tested 12 markers, there are a few more matches:

There are no matches to the Vosper name – in fact, there are no matching surnames at all. What is really odd to me about this is that I would expect MANY MANY more matches, given this is the most common haplogroup in Europe. I suspect that the process used by FTDNA to find matches is run periodically, has not been run over the entire population of their Y-participants since John’s was processed, and will be updated in the near future with many more matches.

Under ANCESTRAL ORIGINS, FTDNA produced this chart:

This is based on people with 12 marker testing. You can see that the most matches (70) were from England with a genetic difference of ONE, and a close runner-up was Ireland (61).

There were no matches at the 25 or 37 marker testing levels.

A copy of your haplogroups tree looks like this:

To find out more detail would require more testing, which of course would be more money. It might be interesting, but not particularly helpful for our research.

There is an interesting presentation about the origins of R-M269 here.. I don’t pretend to understand all of this – the document looks like slides that went with a presentation – it has some informative maps and theories about the origins of the haplogroups, but, minus the spoken word, is a bit difficult to understand.

The migration map for your group (R1b) is (you can see it originating in the mid-east and going towards France):

FTDNA also provides a variety of printable reports, which are attached as PDF’s.

There are several very important implications of these results for our Vosper genealogy study, which I’ll address in another email. I have included the BLOG on the distribution of this email, as well as other Vosper Y-DNA participants. I have not copied all the Vosper Cousins on it. If you object to the specific STR results being on the blog, please let me know, and I’ll edit the post to remove that graphic.

Merry Christmas,

Cousin Teri

Sunday, December 18, 2016

Vosper Things

Hello Vosper Cousins, and Happy Holidays to everyone!

I just returned from a vacation in Florida where I got to meet up with Cousin Paula (Vosper), when we went out to lunch and on a boat trip looking for manatees:

Teri on the left, Paula on the right. Looking very movie star-ish with those shades, don’t you think? If you’re thinking we look alike, we are 1^st cousins…..

At our last condo stop on the vacation I picked up a book called “The Queen’s Fool” by Philippa Gregory, which I thought some of you might be interested in reading. The story takes place in the 1550’s, predominantly in England. It is the story of a young Jewish girl, whose mother was burned at the stake for heresy in Aragorn, Spain, who goes to England and gets entangled in the royal intrigues of the court of Queen Mary. It gives good insight to the plight of Jews practicing Catholicism in order to escape the Inquisition and the religious purges of the period.

This is during the time our common 11^th great grandfather, Johannes Vosper, would have been living in Liskeard, Cornwall. For the most recent joiners of our little group, we had found this little tidbit in a book:

You can see this in context on Google Books, here. This was our first indication that our family had any Jewish origins. As we got in DNA testing results, we consistently found Ashkenazi heritage in low amounts (typically 2-5%), and when Robert Vosper had his Y-DNA tested, it came back with a Jewish Haplogroup, J-M267, all of which confirms that is was the Vosper lineage that contributed the Ashkenazi heritage, and confirms the heritage claimed in the book, written in 1873.

We don’t know when the family stopped practicing Judaism, but I am pretty sure none of the American branches ever practiced it after 1900. Do any of our Australian or British Cousins have families that still practiced it? In any case, the book is interesting as it gives good insight into the problems encountered and how the destruction of religious materials and heresy trials affected Jews in England and Europe.

On a similar note, I have Amazon Prime, and found “Rebecca” as a movie available for free to watch. It is based on the novel by Daphne DuMaurier, and is mostly true to the book. It takes place in Cornwall, which is why I mention it. This sounds weird, but it was made for television, and the recording includes commercials, which I guess were filmed in the 1950s. Even the commercials, all for gas appliances, we interesting to watch!

On the DNA front, John Vosper in Australia has sent in his Y-DNA test for processing, and we are anxiously awaiting results. The latest status:

Our hope is that his DNA will come in a close match to Robert Vosper’s, further confirming the Jewish lineage. I plan to enroll John’s results in the FTDNA Cornwall and J1 Projects, to further improve our presence there. In checking on the HUGE project, J1, I found they had ‘clustered’ Robert’s Y findings as follows:

VERY INTERESTING, that so many people in this grouping have the last name “Jordan”. Could this be a clue as to our family origins?

The Cornwall project is not showing much in the way of matches:

It is interesting that Thomas Dawe matches a lot of the markers that Robert has (N46809, highlighted in yellow) – I thought I recalled seeing a DAWES spouse of a Vosper at some point, but I don’t find it on my tree, now….

Need many more Cornish people to test their DNA!

In looking at FTDNA’s Country of Origin for 37 marker testing for Robert, we have, in part:

This is interesting, because in all the genetic distances less than 4, all the matches are in the UK. At a genetic distance of -4 there is one person from Germany. “Genetic distance” relates to how many of the 37 markers tested are different – in this case 4 are. Generally, the Y chromosome is very stable with a variation happening sporadically -- maybe once every 4 generations or so a change will occur in one marker. So, if this GERMAN match is significant (though 1 is hardly significant!), it would indicate that the common ancestor may have been as many as 16-20 generations back. At least one (undocumented) source says that the Vosper family came from Silesia, which was on the border of Germany and the Czech Republic and Poland.

Lastly, I’ve received another book “The Lost Jews of Cornwall” but have not read it yet. I have checked the index, but there are no Vosper, Trevosper, or Treffosper. This will be a much tougher read than “The Queen’s Fool”.

Enough for now!

Cousin Teri

Thursday, November 10, 2016

Another "NEW" Vosper Cousin - Carol Eades

Good morning Vosper Cousins! I say 'good' because the sun did come up again, despite the American election.

Cousin Lesley got in touch with me telling me that after a recent Poldark episode which mentioned 'Elizabeth Vosper' (I think it was around October 30) that she had seen a number of posts in a Facebook group called Cornish Roots and Branches (I have since 'joined' the group). She got in a discussion with Carol Eades, who has now joined our little Vosper Cousins group!

I put "NEW" in quotes because it turns out that Carol had gotten in touch with me when I was just starting my Vosper research, to let me know that one of the sources I was using, "Visitations of Cornwall" was incorrect, which made my tree incorrect. She really got me started on the right path! Over the course of the time I was working on our tree I lost track of her, so it is really good to reconnect again!

Carol indicates she was born in Gilsland, Northumberland, England. I looked this up on the map and found I had visited the area when I went to Hadrian's Wall on my visit to England a few years ago.

I have updated our Cousin Chart with Carol's lineage, copy attached. Carol's family is descended from John, and is the 9^th column from the left.

Carol, the way our little group works is that I maintain a group email list and send out updates. I started the blog in the last couple of months, adding old emails, as a way to provide past information in a place new cousins can look at. A copy of appropriate, cleaned up (email addresses removed) emails is sent to the blog that you found. The blog can be browsed, or there is a search capability as well. It is a public blog, which is why you could find it, and there is no way to join it.

In other Vosper Cousin news, Moira has sent in her husband, John Vosper's Y-DNA kit to FTDNA, and we're anxiously awaiting results to see if they match Robert Vosper's.

Carol, do you have a brother who has done a Y-DNA test, by any chance? We'd love to compare the results with Robert's!

I leave next week on a cruise and will not have much internet, so be patient with me if I don't respond to anything for a while.

Cousin Teri

http://vospercousins.blogspot.com/

Monday, November 7, 2016

RE: Gedmatch

Hi Sheila and other Vosper cousins.

Sheila's sister has had her DNA done, and I've run some analysis to see how she matches up. Below are some of the results.

My ½ brother:

My brother:

My 1^st cousin: (Paula)

My 2^nd cousin (Robert Vosper):

Another Vosper cousin (James, USA)

Yvonne, Vosper cousin in Australia:

Lynette Storrs, another Vosper cousin, has also tested on Ancestry, but I don't seem to have a GEDMatch kit # for her.

I'm leaving on a cruise next week, and I don't have a lot of time to go into indepth analysis, but I wanted to get this out there!

Cousin Teri

From: Sheila Stevens [mailto:sheilastevens340@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 11:15 PM
To: Infoseeker@Gmail
Subject: Re: Gedmatch

Hi,, sorry her Kit number is T632394

On Monday, 7 November 2016, Infoseeker@Gmail <infoseeker1980@gmail.com> wrote:

Kit #?

From: Sheila Stevens [mailto:sheilastevens340@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:45 PM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: Gedmatch

My sisters results are now on Gedmatch, no Ashkenazi was found but our tests were with different companies. Roma Maude Willis. Be interested in what you find,

Regards Sheila

Sheila Stevens

Exeter

Sheila Stevens

Exeter

Monday, October 31, 2016

FW: Jewish link in Arundel family line.

Hello Vosper Cousins!

Linda Wilson, one of our Vosper Cousins has found what looks to be another Jewish link on our tree, going back from the Arundel side of the family (See her email below). Thanks so much, Linda, for sharing your research!

I also have Joan Jewe in my tree at http://person.ancestry.com/tree/47009625/person/24426561956/facts but have no facts to corroborate this (I apparently got it from an unsourced Ancestry tree).

I would like to find some collaboration that the Jewe and Jeue surnames are accurate, and that they were references to their religious heritage, and not just a spelling variation (ie “Jewel”) – does anyone have any additional information about this? I have not done any real research on the Arundel line, but have never heard of any Jewish connection.

This line with Jewish heritage is in ADDITION to the Vosper Jewish line. We know this because Robert Vosper’s Y-DNA test came back with a Jewish haplotype, and this is only passed from father to son, no women get the Y chromosome, and therefore it could not come from the Arundel line.

Happy Halloween to those of you who enjoy that sort of thing….we went to a party Saturday night and had a bit too much fun! My feet are still recovering from my first experience at dancing since ‘the accident’…..

Cousin Teri

From: Linda Wilson
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 3:26 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: Jewish link

Hi Teri

I found the Jewish link. I suspect that during the Crusades, the knights of St John befriended Israelites to gang up against the Saracens and so Jews Came to England.

My 15th GGF was Nicholas Arundel (1399-1463)

He married Johanna St John (1408-1462)

Her mother was Joan Jewe (1375-1440)

whose father was William Jeue 1354-1430)

Kind Regards

Linda Wilson

From: Info Seeker <infoseeker1980@gmail.com>
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:56
To: 'Linda Wilson'
Subject: RE: Another ENGLISH Vosper Cousin and other news

I hadn’t planned that far away, but I’d heard about it from a guy who runs the Pigrim Museum in Leiden. They are doing a big celebration there, as well.

Sounds like you have a great trip planned!

Teri

From: Linda Wilson [mailto:splish.splosh@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:10 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: Re: Another ENGLISH Vosper Cousin and other news

Are you planning to come over to the UK for the Mayflower 400 year anniversary? the Plymouth New Museum will open in April 2020 ready for the celebration. We are expecting quite a few to come over from the States.

I found a Jewish ancestor a while ago, I will let you know when I've had a serious look. I seem to remember that she was called "Jane the Jew" lived about the same time as Richard III.

Afraid I can not join you in Florida in December as I will be in Chile, Antartica, Argentinia.

Kind Regards

Cousin Linda Wilson

From: Info Seeker <infoseeker1980@gmail.com>
Sent: 28 October 2016 17:54
To: Info Seeker
Subject: Another ENGLISH Vosper Cousin and other news

We have a new Vosper Cousin joining our little group – Malcolm Lockhart, from Somerset, England. I have attached an updated Cousin Chart – Malcolm’s line is located in the 5^th column from the right, and his closest cousins are William Williams in Delaware (5^th cousins 1x removed), and John Elliott Vosper in Australia (5^th cousins, if I calculated correctly…). He is an 8^th cousin to me, according to Ancestry’s calculator.

In other news, Moira, John Elliott’s wife, tells me they have received the Y-DNA kit we sent out, and was scheduled to have sent it back to FTDNA last weekend. The results of this kit are anxiously awaited, as this is one of the few male-to-male Vosper surname lines we have, and we hope the results will confirm Robert Vosper’s DNA results, which confirm the Jewish ancestry reported in various English sources.

Malcolm, it may be a surprise to you that we have traced our ancestry back to being Jewish – many of us who have DNA tested show small amounts of Ashkenazi heritage. To store all our Jewish related material I have created a placeholder person on my Ancestry tree which you can access here: http://person.ancestry.com/tree/47009625/person/24454081783/facts

I’ve been overwhelmed with a new DNA project I’m working on, trying to find common chr. segments in descendants of George Soule, Mayflower passenger, and that’s kept me from working on much Vosper stuff. I have received my copy of “The Lost Jews of Cornwall”, but have only gotten as far as looking in the index for “Vosper” and “Trevosper”, to no avail. The first chapter seems to deal with the earlier times in Cornwall, but, at a glance, does not contain any particulars for our help as genealogists. A deeper reading is required….

Sure wish I had known all my English Vosper Cousins when I visited Cornwall and England a few years ago…. But, on a positive note, I hope to meet up with some of our Vosper Cousins in Florida when I visit there in December….

Cousin Teri

Friday, October 28, 2016

RE: OOOPS, missed Tricia on the cousin chart, and some DNA answers

Hi Tricia and other Vosper Cousins.

First, so sorry about not putting Tricia on the Cousin Chart, I have updated it, and it is attached. This just slipped by me. 19 family lines now – wow!

I have also not put Richard Barry Willis on the tree, as I don't have the connection between his forefather Rev. John Vosper, who died in New Zealand, and our tree. I'm sure he's connected, I just don't know where….Kay, have you requested his death certificate or the book, " Reverend John Vosper : the man behind the street name " by Patsy O'Shea? It may contain his parent's names in Cornwall, which will probably show how he links into our family. (If any of you have come across a Rev. John Vosper who left Cornwall for Australia/New Zealand, about 1900, please let us know – or if you could check your library and its affiliated libraries for copies of the book, that might be helpful, too).

Tricia asked some questions about the DNA test (see message below), and I thought the answers might be of interest to everyone:

· Problems with spitting for the DNA test for Ancestry.com: This is a fairly common problem. There is some good news here, though: If the sample you give to Ancestry is not viable, they will replace the kit with another. I recently spoke with someone who was in much the same situation as you. He was so concerned that he bought two tests and used the mucous that accumulated in the breathing apparatus his mother was using to fill one of the Ancestry tubes. It worked just fine! If you decide to use this approach, (don't bother with buying two kits) try to avoid contamination, as much as possible. If this seems like it is going to be impossible I suggest you use FTDNA's test. FTDNA.com has a FamilyFinder test which is basically the same test as Ancestry does, but uses a swab to collect the saliva, and is much easier to use with very ill donors. The results will not show on Ancestry.com, but we can still use them to compare on GedMatch. Anything is better than nothing!

· Yes, it is best to get the oldest members of your family, as they have twice as much of your ancestor's DNA as you do. Your mother's DNA will have only her side of the family. Your kit will have both your mother's and your father's – so it would be good to get both of you tested.

Tricia also asked about family rumors that the Vosper family was from Germany. I think Graham said that his family rumor had the family coming from Holland. At least one officious document states, without substantiation, that the family came from Silesia. Ashkenazi Jews were most commonly from Northern Europe, including Germany, Holland, and Silesia. One might put together a theory from all of this that our family came from Silesia via Germany and Holland, relocating to Cornwall at some point, probably to take part in the tinning industry. Unless we get really good at reading old English documents (I can make nothing of them), and we stumble upon a hidden treasure trove of info, we may never know. It is my hope that the Y-DNA tests will eventually lead us to the portion of Europe that our Vosper ancestors came from.

Have a good day, everyone!

Cousin Teri

vospercousins.blogspot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tricia Coles
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:41 AM
To: Info Seeker
Subject: RE: Vosper family tree connections

Hi Teri,

Many thanks for your latest email today about a further cousin in Somerset.

I apologise for not replying to an earlier email from you about my Mum and a DNA test.

I've been a bit occupied with house things. New carpets have now been laid and our furniture is out of store. My little bother has been to visit visit for a few days, and also my sister in law.

I hope you have recovered from your ankle injuries.

I have not been able to sort DNA test for Mum - I don't think spitting is going to work for Mum. Taking a swab from Mum's mouth might be more realistic, but that would be a different sort of test kit and I guess might not be suitable for the Ancestry linking and how would I get such a kit etc.? I now thinking that I will do the test with the kit, but I am still curious about Mum's DNA especially as due to her age its a link that much further back with more Vosper genes than me!. It is her Birthday today - 97 - I have just returned from visiting her in her Care Home.

Thanks for all the other emails re additional cousins - all rather mind boggling! By the way I/we don't appear on the most recent cousins tree.

You mentioned a while back about earlier emails that you could send me that would be great, but perhaps in a month or so. Cousin Matthews from Kent has been in touch and he has sent me info on his family from Pilllaton. My 2 x great grandfather Thomas Dyer Vosper and his 2 x great grandmother Mary Emma Vosper were siblings - children (2 of 14 though not all survived childhood) of John Vosper and Mary Dyer. I had always wondered about my grandfather's middle name Dyer and didn't realise that his father was Thomas Dyer and his father also - all 3 the first born sons, I think. I have done very little on Ancestry with my tree, but hope to add a bit more soon.

I do find all the work you have been doing very interesting and that we have some Jewish ancestry. Does this fit with a sort of rumour from my past that we had some German ancestry??

Kind regards

Tricia

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On Thu, 8/9/16, Info Seeker wrote:

Subject: RE: Vosper family tree connections

To: "'Tricia Coles'"

Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2016, 20:50

Hi Tricia,

Any luck on your mother's

DNA?

Your Vosper cousin,

Teri

-----Original Message-----

From: Tricia Coles

Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 4:23 AM

To: Info Seeker

Subject: RE:

Vosper family tree connections

Hi Terri,

Yes, my mother is

Della Elizabeth Vosper and does appear on someone else's tree or trees along with her brother Owen, who I have yet to add to mine. Been a bit busy with house stuff ,so haven't had a lot of time to do searches etc.,so sorry I didn't send you a separate email just ancestry invite. Great to receive Vosper cousin email - thank you - quite amazing as I thought there wouldn't be much info when I started the Vosper search fairly recently!. Still working on DNA test for Mum - not that easy as she is always eating and drinking and wouldn't understand, but I hope to sort something - I have received the DNA kit. I'm assuning you can view my tree now and you will see that I have added quite a bit on Mum's maternal side - I have quite a lot of info from family history, so am trying to add it - some also appears on other people's trees, but not all accurate!

Best wishes

Tricia

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On Tue, 31/5/16, Info Seeker wrote:

Subject: RE: Vosper

family tree connections

To: "'triciacoles'"

Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2016, 19:49

Hi Tricia, got your invite

today.

Is your mother DELLA? I

found that on someone else's tree. Have sent you a separate email. Have to run to a garden club meeting – have a great day! Teri

From: triciacoles

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:00 AM

To: Info Seeker

Subject: RE:

Vosper family tree

connections http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree100563253/family

Hi Teri,

This is the web

address above. I'm not sure why I am not appearing in the Directory – I also get the same message when I do the search!.

Hope this link works!

RegardsTricia

PS I'm

just trying out my new Microsoft Surface book with Windows 10. It seems really great. Our desk top computer runs on Vista. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:

Info

Seeker

Sent: 20 May 2016 16:26

To: 'Tricia

Coles'

Subject: RE:

Vosper family tree

connections Hi

Tricia!

Unfortunately I get this when

trying to find your

tree: Could you just

copy and

paste the web address from your

browser? Thanks!

Teri

-----Original

Message-----

From: Tricia Coles

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016

5:42 AM

To: Info Seeker

Subject: Re: Vosper family tree connections Hi Teri Thank you for your email.I have just today started a family tree - its called Vosper/Woolway. Its rather patchy as I haven't quite added all the dates, but I guess you will see where it slots into the vast Bennett family tree - I can also see that there are a lot of links to other family trees on my maternal grandmother's side - though I new some of this info already. Hopefully you can see my tree under the public family tree list. How it all works is all rather new to me - in past I have only just looked at individual census records etc. I have not added anything on my father's side as one of my cousin's has researched this and it also goes back a long way! And yes I hope I can help out with some records in the future. Best wishesTricia--------------------------------------------On

Thu, 19/5/16, Info Seeker

wrote: Subject: Vosper family

tree connections

To: Tricia

Date:

Thursday, 19 May, 2016, 18:52

Patricia!

Always GRAND tohear from another Vosper cousin! Sounds like you have a lot on your plate right now, but we are so happy to add another cousin to our mix. I don't see a tree on your account -- have you got one? I need to connect you to the family, but I don't have any info to go on. Can you give me a bit of info on your Vosper lineage? Then I can add you in.... I've worked really hard on our tree for several years and I'm glad you can enjoy it. I hope you'll take a bit of time to review it person by person, looking at the LifeStories…. Since you live in Devon, perhaps you could be of some help to me in getting some copies of original docs, when you get settled in? Devon docs require me to get a subscription to FindMyPast, but I think they are available for free to Devon residents….

Teri

Another ENGLISH Vosper Cousin and other news

Cousin Teri